(I have deleted my FB account but was able to see the clip.) I am an atheist and disapprove of all organized religion. The whole marry young and make lots of little Christian soldiers is disgusting. However, in context, that wongheaded pastor WAS making a joke, as far as I can tell. The whole thing is creepy, no doubt. I'm just thinking that pouncing on that statement, that clip, is perhaps not the best example of the misogynistic, pedophilia-supporting preaching that goes on. We need the best - (hmm, I started to say 'ammunition'
but let's not go there!) - means possible of making our points. Thank you for your post. I wan't aware of this particular chucklehead and the issues around him. The more we know, the better we go. Keep spreading the word! Best wishes!
If it was 'only a joke' and he truly cared about this issue, his focus and concern would have been for the ones harmed, and his response would be to listen and learn to do it differently going forward. Instead his concern and focus seems to be on defending and bolstering his own image.
There are many of us that have been greatly harmed by this kind of teaching. It's not a joke.
“I convinced her to marry me when she was so young she didn't know any better," Hartman told the still-chuckling crowd. "And see guys, this is how you do it. I'm just giving you some advice here. This is how you do it." He went on to describe how God chose His people, referencing Ephesians 1:4. "Why did He choose you? It is based upon only one thing: It brought pleasure to His heart, and it was according to His will."
Christa is right: — “It sends a terrible message to the congregation. And linking it back to the whole message about 'the God who chooses you.' That makes their God into a predatory and abusive God."
Hartmann again:
“I would never want someone to abuse a woman, much less a child. If knew me, I'm the guy who is always defending women. I'm the guy who is always trying to stand up for women. For me to be accused of pedophilia, golly, I can't hardly believe my eyes. That is just not who I am, and of course not what I would say. Our church is full of young adults and families. It's full of them because they trust me. To harm somebody else is not just who I am. We would never want to be associated with such a thing as perhaps other churches have."
Here’s my analysis.
Hartmann teaches men how to trap women into marriage. He teaches young women to not be on guard against predators who want to trap them into marriage. He is an enabler of predatory men.
Hartmann is prideful: he brags about how he defends both women and young people. He is resistant to admonishment. When admonished, he FIGHTS BACK with words. He lies. He resists the truth. He suppresses the truth in unrighteousness (Romans 1:8).
Unfortunately, because I have deleted my Facebook account for reasons (iykyk), I couldn’t access the clip. Just thought you should know in case others have the same problem.
Hey! Thanks so much for letting me know! I should have thought of that possibility. I just now updated the post to also add links for where the clip appears on X (Twitter) and on TikTok. Hope that will help!
(I have deleted my FB account but was able to see the clip.) I am an atheist and disapprove of all organized religion. The whole marry young and make lots of little Christian soldiers is disgusting. However, in context, that wongheaded pastor WAS making a joke, as far as I can tell. The whole thing is creepy, no doubt. I'm just thinking that pouncing on that statement, that clip, is perhaps not the best example of the misogynistic, pedophilia-supporting preaching that goes on. We need the best - (hmm, I started to say 'ammunition'
but let's not go there!) - means possible of making our points. Thank you for your post. I wan't aware of this particular chucklehead and the issues around him. The more we know, the better we go. Keep spreading the word! Best wishes!
If it was 'only a joke' and he truly cared about this issue, his focus and concern would have been for the ones harmed, and his response would be to listen and learn to do it differently going forward. Instead his concern and focus seems to be on defending and bolstering his own image.
There are many of us that have been greatly harmed by this kind of teaching. It's not a joke.
From Eric Killea’s article —
“I convinced her to marry me when she was so young she didn't know any better," Hartman told the still-chuckling crowd. "And see guys, this is how you do it. I'm just giving you some advice here. This is how you do it." He went on to describe how God chose His people, referencing Ephesians 1:4. "Why did He choose you? It is based upon only one thing: It brought pleasure to His heart, and it was according to His will."
Christa is right: — “It sends a terrible message to the congregation. And linking it back to the whole message about 'the God who chooses you.' That makes their God into a predatory and abusive God."
Hartmann again:
“I would never want someone to abuse a woman, much less a child. If knew me, I'm the guy who is always defending women. I'm the guy who is always trying to stand up for women. For me to be accused of pedophilia, golly, I can't hardly believe my eyes. That is just not who I am, and of course not what I would say. Our church is full of young adults and families. It's full of them because they trust me. To harm somebody else is not just who I am. We would never want to be associated with such a thing as perhaps other churches have."
Here’s my analysis.
Hartmann teaches men how to trap women into marriage. He teaches young women to not be on guard against predators who want to trap them into marriage. He is an enabler of predatory men.
Hartmann is prideful: he brags about how he defends both women and young people. He is resistant to admonishment. When admonished, he FIGHTS BACK with words. He lies. He resists the truth. He suppresses the truth in unrighteousness (Romans 1:8).
https://cryingoutforjustice.blog/2015/02/01/they-suppress-the-truth-in-unrighteousness/
When I heard the clip, it made me thank he had experience doing it.
Unfortunately, because I have deleted my Facebook account for reasons (iykyk), I couldn’t access the clip. Just thought you should know in case others have the same problem.
Hey! Thanks so much for letting me know! I should have thought of that possibility. I just now updated the post to also add links for where the clip appears on X (Twitter) and on TikTok. Hope that will help!